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    Calfee, please don't kill our sacred cows with all of this pistol talk

    Calfee, please don't kill our sacred cows with all of this pistol talk


    CYA friends:


    Sacred cows:


    Why on earth would anyone want to drag all of the appliances necessary to compete in Big Time RFBR with a rifle, when they could carry everything to the firing line in a canvas AR-15 bag, if they shot a pistol?



    Am I killing some sacred cows in the RFBR rifle world by promoting these new, and fresh, RFBR pistols?



    Your friend, Bill Calfee


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    The "girl with a pistol" single handily killed a bunch of "RFBR rifle" sacred cows last July at Buck Creek.






    Buck Creek 7/7/18----Top Ten

    1. Mary Stark 2100 2450 2200 2200 2200 2300-- 13450

    2. Greg Monroe 2000 2300 2250 2250 2100 2350-- 13250

    3. Donald Hamblin 1900 2200 2100 2400 2250 2350-- 13200

    4. Wallace Smallwood 2050 1975 2100 2200 2300 2400-- 13025

    5. Tad Earhart 2075 2400 2050 2200 2075 2150-- 12950

    6. Carrie Earhart 1875 2150 2100 2050 2125 2250-- 12550

    7. Foster Arvin 2100 2150 2050 2225 2025 2000-- 12550

    8. Scott Reid 1900 2075 2050 2100 2000 2200-- 12325

    9. Todd Earhart 1775 1875 1850 2250 2050 2225-- 12025

    10.Sydney Combs 1080 1900 1700 1875 1750 1350 9655

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    Last edited by Bill Calfee; 1 Week Ago at 10:07 PM.

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    Please keep something in mind...

    Please keep something in mind...


    CYA friends:


    The July ARA match at Buck Creek last summer was a watershed event.


    The "girl with a pistol" shoots maybe three or four ARA matches a year.


    Several of the talented shooters she beat run the circuit all year long...


    Those talented shooters, that she beat, test every lot of ammo available, and sometimes shoot multiple matches on the same week-end, as they run the circuit.


    And running the circuit builds experience in how to shoot Big Time RFBR.


    It's like anything else, the more you do it, the better you get.




    The "girl with a pistol" never tests ammo.......

    And she most certainly does not run the circuit, in the world of Big Time RFBR competition.



    Yet with a pistol, she bested that crowd of some of the most talented RFBR shooters on earth.








    Buck Creek 7/7/18----Top Ten

    1. Mary Stark 2100 2450 2200 2200 2200 2300-- 13450

    2. Greg Monroe 2000 2300 2250 2250 2100 2350-- 13250

    3. Donald Hamblin 1900 2200 2100 2400 2250 2350-- 13200

    4. Wallace Smallwood 2050 1975 2100 2200 2300 2400-- 13025

    5. Tad Earhart 2075 2400 2050 2200 2075 2150-- 12950

    6. Carrie Earhart 1875 2150 2100 2050 2125 2250-- 12550

    7. Foster Arvin 2100 2150 2050 2225 2025 2000-- 12550

    8. Scott Reid 1900 2075 2050 2100 2000 2200-- 12325

    9. Todd Earhart 1775 1875 1850 2250 2050 2225-- 12025

    10.Sydney Combs 1080 1900 1700 1875 1750 1350 9655

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    CYA friends, if Anthony DiOrio remains willing:


    The second pistol revolution in Big Time RFBR is coming.



    And if it does, you'll see a mad rush to obtain these new, and fresh, MD-PAS triple pistols.


    Your friend, BC
    Last edited by Bill Calfee; 1 Week Ago at 09:52 PM.

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    Hi Bill!

    I have never shooted with this way pistol,this picture of Mary Stark shooting gives something to think about gun stability on bench and rifles long stocks vibration when we use now front bench as usual.Very near end of stocks.

    Old story:

    End of 80s and beginning of 90s I owned 50 % of gunsmith company named BR-Tuote

    www.brtuote.fi/

    www.guns.connect.fi/rs/Reflex.html

    My work mostly was test shoot repaired hunting rifles and rifles where we installed our developed & patented Reflex supressors.

    My way shoot from bench was/is many times that my left hand was/is over the first scope mount (I am shooting from right).

    If your left hand pressure to scope mount change it is very easy to get vertical to groups if stock is not VERY stiff.

    I changed front bench near the action and those wood stocked (not so stiff as BR stocks) gives near always their best groups thisway.

    Must we come out of box (On 2 piece rest shooting) also with rifle and put sandbag under the rifles pistol handle and move front rest near the action?-.

    There must be something good of those pistols stability & vibration.

    BR, Timo

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    Friend Timo

    Quote Originally Posted by Timo View Post
    Hi Bill!

    I have never shooted with this way pistol,this picture of Mary Stark shooting gives something to think about gun stability on bench and rifles long stocks vibration when we use now front bench as usual.Very near end of stocks.

    Old story:

    End of 80s and beginning of 90s I owned 50 % of gunsmith company named BR-Tuote

    www.brtuote.fi/

    www.guns.connect.fi/rs/Reflex.html

    My work mostly was test shoot repaired hunting rifles and rifles where we installed our developed & patented Reflex supressors.

    My way shoot from bench was/is many times that my left hand was/is over the first scope mount (I am shooting from right).

    If your left hand pressure to scope mount change it is very easy to get vertical to groups if stock is not VERY stiff.

    I changed front bench near the action and those wood stocked (not so stiff as BR stocks) gives near always their best groups thisway.

    Must we come out of box (On 2 piece rest shooting) also with rifle and put sandbag under the rifles pistol handle and move front rest near the action?-.

    There must be something good of those pistols stability & vibration.


    BR, Timo

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    Friend Timo:


    I highlighted a couple of your very interesting observations in bold orange.



    First of all, I've tested pistols in every configuration one can imagine...


    The center grip version, with a sand bag under the grip and a bi-pod at the fore end tip produce the best accuracy.

    Like the pistol Mary Stark is shooting in the picture.


    Timo, I would be foolish to go to all the trouble to produce center grip pistols, if they weren't the most accurate shooting configuration.



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    Now, for your interesting comments:



    Everyone with a RFBR rifle and a saw, in a couple of hours, can have a rear grip pistol.


    Someone needs to actually do this, with a killer rifle, then take it to a quality RFBR event and see what they can do with it.


    Timo, I can tell you what they'll do as soon as the match is over; they'll glue the butt stock back on and go back to shooting off rests.


    I know this for a fact, as I've done it.




    Now for the idea in your comment, with a slight variation:


    Cut the butt off at the pistol grip........and move the bi-pod back away from the end of the stock, like you suggest.


    Now here's the slight variation:


    Affix a grip about 5 inches in front of the stocks original grip location.


    And yes, I believe this would work, because what you would technically have is a center grip pistol.



    But think about this:


    The trigger would be behind the new pistol grip, so shooting the thing would be a challenge.




    So we run around the barn, and come back to the same place.


    These new MD-PAS pistols, even with all the hassles, will be center grip configuration.



    And I can't wait.


    Timo, if the world don't end first, I plan on having such a prototype soon.


    Your comments are interesting, as usual.


    Your friend, BC



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    PS:


    Friend Timo, if you had my new 40-X pistol to play with for just an hour, you'd never shoot a rifle again in competition.
































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    Last edited by Bill Calfee; 1 Week Ago at 02:41 PM.

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